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December 13, 2004
Scrubs of ISRU: Trailer

by Talal Sarwani


ISRU

In Association with Hidaya

presents

an Inner Light production

The SCRUBS of ISRU

Link to Trailer (28 Megs)
(
Realplayer or Real Alternative required)


releasing january 2005 at the first ISRU meeting near you next semester...

interested in joining Inner Light Productions?
email
t a l a l s @ g m a i l . c o m
without the spaces.

this is just the beginning...

Daarul Ghuroor, by Ahmed Bukhatir, as featured in the trailer for The SCRUBS of ISRU
of and relating to...
gillette said

someone comment. isn't anyone excited? HidayaOnline.com is ISRU's think-tank. Minus myself, ISRU's best and brightest write for this website. say something.

is an ISRU movie a good idea? what impact will this have on ISRU's reputation? will it break stereotypes of ISRU being an extremist organization? is there any benefit of doing everything in our islamic ability to lighten ISRU's image?

on December 14, 2004 3:55 PM
Justoju said

Minus me too. (Trying to keep up with the humility)

I have been on stinking dial-up for the past few days and so havent been able to see it (and dont know when I will be able to); but from the glimpses that I caught at the 'Islam and the Arts' event, it seems like a good idea and a good way to get people to see the personal, 'human' side of muslim college students. I mean, the point of good dawah is that people realize that muslims can be hardcore practicing, and yet not be scary, anti-technology/science, and unapproachable.

on December 14, 2004 5:01 PM
Amani said

Question: was the trailer shown at "Islam and the Arts" the same one shown at "Ramadan night"? Because I could not hear the one on "Ramadan night"

Anyway, yes I am looking forward to it. It looks amusing. Masha'Allah to all those who worked so hard on it.

on December 14, 2004 5:11 PM
Humayun said

No the trailer that was shown at Islam in the arts is not the same that was shown on Ramadan Night.

on December 14, 2004 5:42 PM
Belal Khan said

Video has potential. Audio and Lighting needs work, and some technical improvements on the transitions...

...over all cooool :]

on December 15, 2004 12:30 AM
Sachin said

who will be the heroine?

on December 15, 2004 1:29 AM
Anand Kumar said

Wow! look like movie called SHOLAY
All five sharukh, salman, hrithik, sunny deol, and johhny lever walking down ready to play basketball. What a scene yaar!

on December 15, 2004 1:32 AM
Kamran said

you bros are awesome! always great to see Talal and Amr :)

wassalam

on December 15, 2004 2:39 AM
Mohammed Irfan Shariff aka Infamous "S" said

If you ask me, the close up of the Hasan Khajamana factors rolled up pants and ol' skool throwback nike zoom air's was off the hook. lol

The video is going to be fantastic

on December 15, 2004 2:49 AM
Saima said

Brother Talal,

lemme know if I can help in any way.

on December 15, 2004 10:27 AM
gillette said

if anyone's interested in helping out, sign up for the ISRU mailing list and wait on an e-mail after the exams.

"If you ask me, the close up of the Has[s]an Khajamana factors rolled up pants and ol' skool throwback nike zoom air's was off the hook. lol"

they were air max retros. zoom airs were much later.

on December 17, 2004 5:37 PM
gillette said

to sign up for the e-mail list, send a blank e-mail to muslims@eden.rutgers.edu with the words "SUBSCRIBE: ISRU List" in the subject line.

on December 17, 2004 6:09 PM
ibtisam said

what kind of help can you guys possibly need?
I did not hear the audio but I saw the trailer and all you people ma shaa Allaah.


If no one minds this comment of mine, here it goes.
I think you guys LOOK a whole lot more religious than you sound on hidayah. NO OFFENSE, in all honesty. But I was like, huh? these are the same people that write for hidaya?
I mean proportion wise, you do sound religious but not AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS LOOK religious, and again I did not hear the audio or anything, so perhaps looks can be decieving. AGAIN, I BEG YOU PEOPLE NOT TO TAKE THIS AS PERSONAL INSULT

on December 17, 2004 11:00 PM
gillette said

define "looking" and "sounding" religious. just because a guy has a beard, doesn't imply perfection. aside from facial hair, nothing implied that we were awliyaa or anything close to it. a beard is a very simple attempt to implement a sunna. ankling up one's pants is a similarly simple attempt to implement a sunna. in fact, these things are waajib, and expected from any muslim.

gillette aka hassan khaja aka the guy in the bookshelf scene

p.s. no offense taken from a muslim.

on December 17, 2004 11:41 PM
Justoju said

I have a fiqh question for everyone. What is the difference between a woman staring at a nonmahram man (who is not giving a speech, or lecture or anything) in person and staring at him on screen?

Just wondering what people think about this...


And sister ibtisam, about 'sounding religious', from what I have seen thus far in my life, religious guys and nonreligious guys pretty much sound/write/talk the same (minus the vulgarity and crudeness). Religious men have humor and personality the same way nonreligious men do, so really, the stereotype that religious men are dry and boring is way off.

on December 18, 2004 6:01 AM
ibitsam said

I didnt mean "dry or boring" I meant more seriousness. Since I myself am a serious person. That is why.
True according to you having a beard and rolling up the pants is waajib but it is impressively following Allaah's deen. I just did not have the idea that this how you guys are. Like if I knew you guys LOOK like this, I would be a whole lot more careful than ramble on the board due to respect to you guys.

on December 18, 2004 2:08 PM
gillette said

I defer to uthaymin:

Islam Questions & Answers
www.islam-qa.com
Question Reference Number:: 49038

Question:

Is it permissible for a woman to look at men who are not her mahrams, or is that haraam?.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

What is the ruling on a woman looking at a man on TV or looking in an ordinary fashion in the street?

He replied:

When women look at men, whether that is on TV or otherwise, one of the following two scenarios must apply:

1 – Looking with desire and enjoyment, which is haraam because of the evil and fitnah (temptation) involved

2 – Simply looking with no desire or enjoyment; there is nothing wrong with this according to the correct scholarly view, and this is permissible because it was proven that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) watched the Ethiopians when they were playing in the mosque, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was screening her from them, and he approved of her doing that.

Women walk in the markets and look at men even when they are wearing hijab, so a woman may look at a man even when he does not look at her, on condition that there be no feelings of desire or fitnah (temptation). If there are any feelings of desire or fitnah (temptation) then it is haraam to look, whether the man is on TV or otherwise.

Fataawa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/973. (www.islam-qa.com)

on December 18, 2004 2:56 PM
asif said

Salaam:

Thanks Bro Gillette...this Fatwah is Right on the Money!

on December 18, 2004 3:10 PM
Justoju said

JazakAllahu khair.

So basically, you guys are relying on the fact that,

1. No one is going to like you or find any of you attractive, and

2. If they do, they will have the self-control to put the brakes on the trailer and not watch the rest.

Got it.

(The reason I am being such a pain about this is because fully dressed, perfectly decent muhajjibas get blamed all the time when some idiot looks at them. It is assumed that they should have been doing more to hide their beauty (even though everything is covered except for face and hands) and that they were 'asking for it'. Society tends to deal with male indiscretions by often telling those that are ALREADY doing what they are required to do, to do even more.)

Ok, I am done with my rant. Will be a pain no 'mo.

I personally like the idea of an ISRU video because of its beneficial effects.

on December 18, 2004 3:11 PM
ibtisam said

the men are blamed for staring at the women, from what i know not vice-verse. personally if someone stare at me, my pride and honor is hurt, I feel my own gheerah and want to kill the person for daring to look at me( go figure, my brother nicknamed me "queen of the kings"). It is more of a problem back home, where apparently they have not seen women although there are so many of them, subhanallaah.
I think if this video is a da'wah purpose then it is okay. Personally, I think Shaykh Uthaymeen means if you cannot control yourselv then dont look just as Rasool SAW told the sahaabi with the beautiful voice not to sing so that women dont get attracted to his beautiful singing.

on December 18, 2004 3:20 PM
asif said

Salaam:

Just curious, will the video be available online? How long will it be?

I probably cant help you guys in flesh, but I will be glad to help out in other ways. You guys are rather a great bunch of young muslims and its great to see organizations such as yours. ISRU is really an asset to the local community.

on December 18, 2004 3:24 PM
Justoju said

btw, just so everyone knows, my comment is in no way, shape, or form a criticism of the fatwa. I agree with the fatwa. My comment was more for the sake of demonstrating what kind of wierdo attitude most women have to deal with in terms of what kind of preventative measures are 'enough'.

on December 18, 2004 3:31 PM
ibtisam said

I believe one of my comments was erased, I would like to know what I said was inappropriate, please kindly send me an email so I am aware of it and have more discretion next time.

on December 18, 2004 3:48 PM
Mohammed Irfan Shariff said

Ya'll want something to look at, THEN LOOK AT ME.
You can stare, you can take a little sneak peek...or even take one of them cell phone camera snapshots of me and save my pic as a .jpeg.
lololol jus playin
your heart might skip a beat
lololol

!!!!seriously speaking though !!!!!!
Its all about intention about who your looking at so on and so forth. At least thats the way i look at it. But remember a persons intention does not make sumthing haraam into halal.

And by the way i was chosen to be one the scrubs alhumdulilah and i promise the audience a performance they will never forget. insha Allah

ps. the reason why Hidaya Online went offline is because Hassan, Gilette aka the KAWAJA FACTOR presses the refresh button (F5) all the time when he is on the websit. thats why hidaya online gets so many hits lol

on December 18, 2004 3:50 PM
gillette said

"So basically, you guys are relying on the fact that,

1. No one is going to like you or find any of you attractive,"

I don't have to worry about that :-p

"and

2. If they do, they will have the self-control to put the brakes on the trailer and not watch the rest."

basically.

"(The reason I am being such a pain about this is because fully dressed, perfectly decent muhajjibas get blamed all the time when some idiot looks at them. It is assumed that they should have been doing more to hide their beauty (even though everything is covered except for face and hands) and that they were 'asking for it'. Society tends to deal with male indiscretions by often telling those that are ALREADY doing what they are required to do, to do even more.)"

no man or woman can be blamed if, after taking islamic means (avoiding the haraam) to avert idle glances, they're still the subject of the other half's mental indiscretions. you don't make a woman wear a niqaab if she gets stared at, since there's a school of thought that says it's ok for her to uncover her face. she has taken all islamic means to prevent idle glances.

likewise, if men cover their bodies right and conduct themselves in an islamically honorable manner, they aren't held accountable for what women are thinking.

and i hear that men have less control than women, so the rules for men are a bit more strict.

on December 18, 2004 3:52 PM
asif said

Hahaha...an incident about staring.

I was visiting Pakistan and I was outside this mosque when I saw this Brother (must be in his 40-50s) who just stepped out of the mosque. While he was planning to spit on the side of the road(before he gets his merry way) his eyes caught sight of this sister who was walking/shopping in front of the mosque. The sister, however, was completely covered in black Burqa and she had Niqaab as well.
Anyways, in between this state of divided attention, the Brother forgot that his spit has landed on his very Thick and long beard! After a very long and intent stare he then realized that his spit never landed on the ground...and then I saw him frantically wiping his beard with his two hands...This made me break in laughter, (loud enough) that he looked towards me before heading his way. I am assuming he was somewhat embarrassed, but not really sure.

on December 18, 2004 3:53 PM
asif said

Salaam Sister Ibtisam:

What does your brother mean when he refers to you as "Queen of Kings"...hahahaha...that sounds rather interesting.

on December 18, 2004 4:02 PM
Justoju said

Brother Irfan-- uhh, thats awfully generous of you and all, but umm, thats really ok. You dont have to be so darn giving all the time. Think of yourself too sometimes.

Brother Gillette-- the "but no one is going to like me" defense never worked for anyone when it came down to shariah matters (right girls? :) ) But yeah, you understood and restated the 'point' of my comment with the following:

"no man or woman can be blamed if, after taking islamic means (avoiding the haraam) to avert idle glances, they're still the subject of the other half's mental indiscretions. you don't make a woman wear a niqaab if she gets stared at, since there's a school of thought that says it's ok for her to uncover her face. she has taken all islamic means to prevent idle glances."

Thats all I was talking about. And its more than one school of thought. From what I understand the shafii and hanbali schools say niqab is necessary, while the hanafi and maliki say that its ok for her to uncover her face, UNLESS she is living in an environment where there is so much fitna that it would be safer for her to cover her face. AllahuAlim.

Brother Asif-- hahahahhaha...badmaash mullahs are funny and sad all at the same time.

on December 18, 2004 4:05 PM
Justoju said

but wait, why would that badmaash mullah be staring at a niqaabi in a burqa? Whats to stare at? Its a shapeless expanse of walking blackness. There is nothing there to feed the imagination. I dont get it.

on December 18, 2004 4:20 PM
Munazza said

i think i witnessed a "scrub of isru" meeting yesterday afternoon after jummah, coner of 2nd floor of college ave campus center ;) lol.....

on December 18, 2004 4:23 PM
Justoju said

Oh My God, wow. Do they look different in real life?

So brothers, is it hard being humble after the cross-campus success of your first motion trailer? Do you find it difficult to go out in public? Have you families been affected by your fame? Do you think fame has changed you?

(I am being sarcasticly ditzy. Please dont answer any of those questions)

on December 18, 2004 4:40 PM
Munazza said

sister justoju Astagfar, upon recognizing the scrubs i obviously lowered my gaze :P i just saw the beards n thought...okiez better behave now lol

on December 18, 2004 10:23 PM
Justoju said

Yeah Munazza, I hear ya. The second I see a beard coming I do the muslim thing and violently push away the guy I am talking to, wipe the white powder from my upper lip, quickly chuck the beer can thats in my hand, pull up my convertible hijab, and lower my gaze. Its all about respect.
(I think I might be kidding here.)

Someone said something earlier about there being a heroine in the movie. I was wondering, making cross-dressing a part of one's lifestyle is quite haram, but would it be permissable for one of the guys to dress up like a sister and play a sister role? You could really deal with a LOT of different issues and expand your scope if you could do that.

(Disclaimer: I suggest no one snort lines of casper, talk to nonmahram men (unless you are, in fact, a male), drink alcoholic beverages, or reveal awra. The haramness of these things is apparently independent of whether or not there is a beard in sight.)

on December 19, 2004 12:23 AM
gillette said

i was asked to get this put back up in the "noisemakers" section.

on December 21, 2004 12:53 AM
Justoju said

ditto

on December 21, 2004 3:32 AM
sannia said

salam,
can someone be kind enough to post up the names of all the nasheeds (and where i can get them) that were played during that beautiful slideshow presentation with the masjids?

on December 24, 2004 8:58 PM
Amani said

Sannia, I'm shocked!
I thought you'd know by now to come to me for anything nasheed-related. :P

on December 24, 2004 10:33 PM
Ibby said

Nasheed related. I love nasheeds as well! I watched the trailer with the audio and man was it funny. The nasheed was good to. But the part where they say, "our future....scrubs." That was absolutely hilarious. Best of luck.

on December 24, 2004 11:26 PM
Justoju said

I finally FINALLY had the opportunity to escape blasted dialup and see the trailer at my cousin's place.

My 12 yr old cousin’s feedback,

"Its not a very good movie in the world of 12 year olds. It should have more people getting hurt. And pies. It needs singing and a dawud wharnsby dance number. And in the last scene where you guys say "Thank you!" with the big smiles on your faces, it looks like br. Hassan's beard is wearing a white hat. Its a funny trailer.”

I think you guys should make a kung-fu movie with english dialogue dubbing. You know, the kind where your lip movement doesnt correspond with the sentence. That way you could purposely aim for terrible acting and it will be hilarious. Make it an action thriller.

oh, and good job brothers of isru. It def. had its moments...very amusing indeed...

funniest scene: bicycle.

on December 26, 2004 7:49 PM
Justoju said

Trying to keep this in noisemakers. Common people, watch it again and post more comments.

on December 27, 2004 6:43 AM
gillette said

getting this put back up on noisemakers

on December 27, 2004 7:42 PM
Ibtisam said

you know I heard his nasheed Daar al-ghuroor and I use to think Ahmed Bukhatir was Sa'd Al-Ghamdi, lol!
6 years ago when I was a freshman in college, I use to sing and listen to his al-quduso tonadeena nasheed ALL THE TIME and "ana mashghoolun bi dhambi" and all the others he sings.

on December 27, 2004 9:43 PM
Ibtisam said

Assalaamu Alaikum,
please please, oh please! can you let me know where to get Ahmed Bukhatir's CDs of nasheeds. he has the most finafied, beautiful voice, in the world. I WISH i could sing like him. I love most of his songs. I just dont know where to get his cds or tapes except listening to it online.

on December 27, 2004 9:59 PM
Ibtisam said

I love his song H'idjaab. Is this dude Saudi? or other Khaleeji?

on December 27, 2004 10:00 PM
Justoju said

Sa'd Al-Ghamidi...sigh....

Ok to get back to the topic, namely the trailer, my Ami's comments:

"So they are saying that they are doctors? Did they make this so that people would propose to them? They should show this at the masjid."

I almost died laughing.
(Alhamdulillah, I am alive and well.)

on December 28, 2004 6:20 AM
gillette said

"'So they are saying that they are doctors? Did they make this so that people would propose to them?'"

they're on to us...

on December 28, 2004 9:26 AM
Ibtisam said

Scrubs?
that is slang for loosers isnt it?
not necessarily, docs in scrubs, subhanallaah.

on December 28, 2004 1:29 PM
Justoju said

yes...

their plan could backfire on them if their viewers have strong emotional memories to "NO SCRUBS".

"No, I dont want no scrub
A scrub is a guy that cant get no love from me
Hanging out the passenger side
of his best friend's ride
trying to holler at me"

Dont ask how its possible for me to still remember that. I am a loser and my head is full of old lyrics.

on December 28, 2004 7:28 PM
asif said

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on December 28, 2004 8:36 PM
gillette said

"Dont ask how its possible for me to still remember that. I am a loser and my head is full of old lyrics."

i hear you, sister.

"...if an evil suggestion comes to you from Shaytaan then seek refuge with Allah. Indeed He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing." (7:199-200)

on December 28, 2004 11:22 PM
Asher said

Assalamualaikum

The title is indeed a double-edged sword.

"Scrubs?
that is slang for loosers isnt it?"

Assalamualaikum

on December 29, 2004 4:58 PM
Ibtisam said

I did not know that there was a song about scrubs? I just knew it was probably slang for guy who is lazy and does no work. But interesting, so it is slang for looser. LOL!

on December 29, 2004 8:43 PM
gillette said

Just to remind everyone:

http://www.irw.org/donate

Select "Asia Tsunami Emergency..." from the drop-down box.

I'll be trying to keep similar comments in the "noisemakers" section.

on January 2, 2005 12:26 AM
gillette said

The Illusion of Reflection

Once there was a king who had presented his daughter, the princess, with a beautiful diamond necklace. The necklace was stolen and his people in the kingdom searched everywhere but could not find it. Some said a bird may have stolen it. The king then asked them all to search for it and put a reward for $50,000 for anyone who found it.

One day a clerk was walking home along a river next to an industrial area. This river was completely polluted and filthy and smelly.As he was walking , the clerk saw a shimmering in the river and when he looked, he saw the diamond necklace. He decided to try and catch it so that he could get the $50,000 reward. He put his hand in the filthy, dirty river and grabbed at the necklace, but some how missed it and didn't catch it. He took his hand out and looked again and the necklace was still there. He tried again, this time he walked in the river and dirtied his pants in the filthy river and put his whole arm in to catch the necklace. But strangely, he still missed the necklace! He came out and started walking away, feeling depressed.


Then again he saw the necklace, right there. This time he was determined to get it, no matter what. He decided to plunge into the river, although it was a disgusting thing to do as the river was polluted, and his whole body would become fillthy. He plunged in, and searched everywhere for the necklace and yet he failed. This time he was really bewildered and came out feeling very depressed that he could not get the necklace that would get him $50,000.

Just then a saint who was walking by, saw him, and asked him what was the matter. The clerk didn't want to share the secret with the saint, thinking the saint might take the necklace for himself,so he refused to tell the saint anything. But the saint could see this man was troubled and being compassionate, again asked the clerk to tell him the problem and promised that he would not tell anyone about it. The clerk mustered some courage and decided to put some faith in the saint. He told the saint about the necklace and how he tried and tried to catch it , but kept failing. The saint then told him that perhaps he should try looking upward, toward the branches of the tree, instead of in the filthy river. The clerk looked up and true enough, the necklace was dangling on the branch of a tree. He had been trying to capture a mere reflection of the real necklace all this time.

Moral of the story:

Material happiness is just like the filthy, polluted river; because it is a mere reflection of the TRUE happiness in the spiritual world.

We can never achieve the happiness we are looking for no matter how hard we endeavour in material life. Instead we should look upwards, toward God, who is the source of real happiness, and stop chasing after the reflection of this happiness in the material world. This spritual happiness is the only thing that can satisfy us completely.

______________________________________________________________________________________

Soul Power
soulpower786@yahoo.com

on January 6, 2005 8:29 AM
Talal said

Dum dum dummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Will the film get made?

Will the SCRUBS scrubbeth away?

Will YOU be there to watch it?

Stay tuned as the drama unfolds...

on January 13, 2005 1:16 AM
asif said

Salaam Bro Talal:

SO when is the auspicious day for the unveiling of Scrubs at ISRU?

on January 13, 2005 1:21 AM
Talal said

SubhaaaaanAllah.. I urge everyone who really wants to have a great, big, hearty laugh, to show up this Thursday and see this piece of not-quite-cinema :D

It's still not finished!!

on January 24, 2005 12:41 PM
Ali Bin Masood Farooki aka Poppa Smurf said

Asalaamu-Alaikum,

Eid Mubaarak. Kul Aam Wa Antum Bi Khayr.

Talal is a film-genius. The scene with the bicycle and the car was just too funny. Talal I want a DVD shipped to me with the cut out scenes as soon as it hits the street. I have to be the first.

Amr, Hassan, Asher, Humayun you guys are looking good. If I was a sister, I'd want to marry you guys. Lol.
Nobody except those four are allowed to respond to that.

Anyways for whoever asked about Ahmed Bukhatir he is emiraatee from sharjah. Come on now people, Saudis are Wahhaabees and all have rough course voices like Shuraim. Sudais must be a fake Saudi.

Asher is pulling some big moves.

And on looking more or less religous than one sounds:
One of those pious predecessor guys said:

"Ikhlaas is that the servants inward and outward actions are equal. Riyaa' is when the outward appearance is better than the inner self and truthfulness in one's sincerity is when the inner self is better cultivated and more flourishing than the outward appearance."

And the following is attributed to Abu Bakr (Radiyallahu Anhu):

When he was praised by people he would pray to Allah saying:
"O Allah, You know me better than I know myself, and I know myself better than these people who praise me. Make me better than what they think of me, and forgive those sins of mine of which they have no knowledge, and do not hold me responsible for what they say."

Pray for me guys as I pray for you.

Poppa Smurf

on January 26, 2005 8:34 AM
gillette said

"Amr, Hassan, Asher, Humayun you guys are looking good. If I was a sister, I'd want to marry you guys. Lol."

this is when a sister comments, "I wouldn't" or "I would," ignoring Ali's request to not respond.

[I repeat Ali's request, BTW]

on January 26, 2005 10:07 AM
ibtisam said

since 3 of my comments were commented on:

you guys are really really pathetic(so the movie was a promotional to get these "poor" young bachelors married, tsk tsk, I guess they do look more religious than they sound, jk), although, I must say one of the brothers in the funny movie did look like a replica of my husband, I was like "no... it cant be..." Then my brother saw the movie trailer and he was like yeah that dude does look like our brother-in-law, I am not gonna mention which one but it was really scary.
second: hey! I I like Shuraim's recitation better than Sudais. Although, Sudais might be a fake Saudi, I dont doubt that but they do have a lot of mixed Saudis who pretend to be 100% but are actually a 1/4 or 1/8 something else.
yeah I found out Bukhatir is Emiraati but whatever.

on January 26, 2005 12:04 PM
gillette aka guy in the bookshelf scene said

"you guys are really really pathetic(so the movie was a promotional to get these 'poor' young bachelors married, tsk tsk, I guess they do look more religious than they sound...)"

ouch, on top of ouch, on top of ouch.

on January 26, 2005 12:54 PM
Talal said

MashaAllah.. Worry not Ibn Mas'ood, you'll surely be getting the limited edition boxed set inshaAllah :)

JUst drop me a note with your address.

An be sure to enjoy a Hardeez Hotdoog on my behalf.

on January 26, 2005 1:45 PM
ibtisam said


sorry upon sorry upon sorry
Although a bit of truth from an older baji.

on January 27, 2005 12:49 AM
Ali Bin Masood Farooki aka Poppa Smurf said

The Sudais/ Shuraim comment was 101% Sarcasm. They are both "Real, live, breathing, genuine Saudis". Lol. You just have to have a passport. Their tribes have been in the Khaleej longer than yours have been in America. By that line of reasoning, most of you guys would be 0% Americans.

As for being "original real arabs" then they are both that too.

As for the guys in the DVD, Allah knows best who is doing what for what. But from what I know of Amr, Hassan, Asher, Humayun, and Talal, I would vouch for them without a second thought.

You guys can pay me later.

Ali

on January 27, 2005 7:56 AM
Justoju said

For the unfortunate souls who wont be able to make it to the meeting today, will the movie be posted onto the internet for the viewing pleasure of all?

on January 27, 2005 2:15 PM
gillette said

it'll be available for distribution on this website, inshallah. it might be way too large to broadcast over the web. talal might be able to say more.

on January 27, 2005 2:50 PM
gillette said

BTW, how widespread is anticipation for this movie?

on January 27, 2005 2:54 PM
Talal said

You guys better stop fooling the public.
There is NO movie.
It's all a scam to get people to actually show up for an ISRU meeting. Heck, not even the food's gonna be free tonight.
It's all a Liiiiiieeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on January 27, 2005 3:07 PM
Justoju said

Can you all stop with the mind games and just TELL ME if I will be able to watch the movie online? The answer will determine the course of the next two days for me so it is of great consequence and urgency.

on January 27, 2005 5:16 PM
Justoju said

THE DIRECTION OF MY LIFE DEPENDS UPON WHETHER OR NOT I CAN WATCH THE MOVIE ONLINE! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME!? MY LIFE COULD BE RUINED!

on January 27, 2005 5:38 PM
Talal said

InshaAllah I'll do my best to get the movie online, but it's gonna take some time (i.e. don't hold your breath).
Don't worry though, it was pretty rough and tumble.


on January 28, 2005 12:55 AM
Ibtisam said

what? a consequence for your life? are you really giving a promotional to those "poor" young bachelors, justoju?

on January 28, 2005 8:40 AM
Justoju said

I mindlessly and shamelessly promote all things Hidayan.

on January 28, 2005 1:30 PM
Ibitsam said

LOL! True to your loyalty, Hidayah ma shaa Allaah

on January 28, 2005 2:22 PM
Saima said

... I really wanna see the movie too...

on January 28, 2005 11:20 PM
Rami said

Asalaam Aleikum Warahmatullah Wabarakatu,

I want to see the movie too. When's it comin out? Get some lab consultant to rip it in the DML..they could use something to do.

Waaleikum Asalaam Warahmatullah Wabarakatu

on March 8, 2005 3:42 PM
Ibtisam said

why dont you make the heroin in the movie,one of the boys' mom, who teaches them to be good and transforms the ISRU Scrubs into leaders of tomorrow, albeit funny but with a serious tone.

You know although the sahaabah had fun and jokes but they also fought battles, had families, and ran the affair of the muslim community. In our times, we need to stop the fun, joking, and games because we have not even reached the level of the sahaabah yet: pathetic excuse to joke that just because the sahaabah joked.But do you know throught how much seriousness of life they went through and how much they suffered. First do that, and then joke when you have accomplished as much as they did. All this joking is actually a part of the un-islaamic interaction between men and women, and this is the best example of it being online. Before anyone person thinks I am pointing fingers at them, dont, I have also written, "LOL" numerous times and I should have NOT.
Lets became serious,
it is never too late and if you think how can I convince you to be so.
Well, I have convinced really funny, with excellent sense of humor people in my family(my mom, brother, and husband: me and my dad are the serious ones), to become serious, because the first thing you should do is to establish what they did with seriousness, hold on to your humor and use it for later, when there will come success, bi iz nillaah, bi iz nillaah....

on March 28, 2005 3:45 PM
asif said

Salaam:

I agree, our seriousness doesn't reflect the gravity of the situation that our Ummah (as a whole) is facing in this 21st century.

Its human nature to find solace and humor in actions and words that serves as a distraction and or a form of building easiness among fellow humans.

However, if we reflect seriously on our state (on a daily-weekly-monthly basis) we can see that there is not much to be cheerful and happy about the plight of us Muslimoons.

Much work needs to be done, by each and everyone of us, Insha'Allah...and May ALLAH guide and combine us in all our efforts to uphold Islaam as the True Deen for all Mankind!

on March 28, 2005 4:05 PM
Ibtisam said

just to let you know how serious I am about this issue. My brother alwyas makes fun of me. But I wrote out my first WILL when I was in 7th grade and got the flu, in case I died, I wrote my WILL because I was reading about the Islaamic WILL and no age was too early to write out a WILL. My brother made fun of me because in the WILL I said that according to the sunnah, no one should cry for me after 3 days and my brother pretended how him and the family would have to push back their tears and everything. THe second thing my brother joked about was that I wrote in my WILL that all the family should stay on the right path after my death, and again my brother joked about that too. So, although, I smile back at these jokes of my brother but I know when he has to become serious, he will and this is the way it really should be. He knows I am serious and then both and my mom keep saying, "ma shaa Allaah ma shaa Allaah" in a sarcastic tone which eventually brings me to laugh. I am not saying give up jokign with your family or mahram men and women but in society aside from same gender friends, joking should not be made.

on March 28, 2005 4:08 PM
asif said

Salaam:

Seems like I have all the time to write on Hidaya today.

I have a question for the sisters. Why do sisters (who are Hijaabis and Niqaabis) stare at brothers when the brother himself is trying to traverse between the crowd with a lowered gaze.

This has happened so many times to me. And I feel so very peculiar when I am in such situation (maybe I am still a shy Desi boy!). Seems to me that the sisters should also lower their gaze if a brother is trying to do his best in not looking at them.

AND yes Idle talk (between non-mahram male and female) leads to unneccessary coziness which could lead to transgressing the boundries of allowed interaction between non-mahrems.

on March 28, 2005 6:26 PM
gillette said

i again defer to uthaymin on this one:

"Praise be to Allaah.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

What is the ruling on a woman looking at a man on TV or looking in an ordinary fashion in the street?

He replied:

When women look at men, whether that is on TV or otherwise, one of the following two scenarios must apply:

1 – Looking with desire and enjoyment, which is haraam because of the evil and fitnah (temptation) involved

2 – Simply looking with no desire or enjoyment; there is nothing wrong with this according to the correct scholarly view, and this is permissible because it was proven that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) watched the Ethiopians when they were playing in the mosque, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was screening her from them, and he approved of her doing that.

Women walk in the markets and look at men even when they are wearing hijab, so a woman may look at a man even when he does not look at her, on condition that there be no feelings of desire or fitnah (temptation). If there are any feelings of desire or fitnah (temptation) then it is haraam to look, whether the man is on TV or otherwise.

Fataawa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/973. (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=49038&dgn=4)"

on March 28, 2005 6:44 PM
asif said

Salaam Akhi:

Jazakum Allah Khair!

yet once again you have outexcelled my expectation, you are the Web/Grandmaster for all fatwahs repository!

The fatwah makes complete sense. Alhamdulillah.

Does that mean a man can look at another woman in market or in a public place, if he has no desires or temptations towards her?

on March 28, 2005 7:14 PM
Talal said

Read the question again:
"What is the ruling on a woman looking at a man on TV or looking in an ordinary fashion in the street? "

The answer does not pertain to men looking at women.

on March 28, 2005 8:16 PM
asif said

Salaam Akhi:

Jazakum Allah Khair for pointing my attention to the question.

BUT, my question still remains, what is the fatwah of men looking at women (wearing Hijaab and/or Niqaab) on TVs and or Public places if there is no Shawah or enjoyment involved?

I am not refering to looking at ladies who have not covered their Aurawh. That is NOT allowed!

Perhaps, there is no fatwah on this matter...but maybe, Brother Hassan can surprise us!

on March 28, 2005 8:39 PM
gillette said

Question #21784: The difference between erotic dreams and looking at women

Question :

Erotic dreams increase desire, so what is the difference between erotic dreams and looking at non-mahram women via the TV?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Comparing these two things is intrinsically false, and whatever is built on a false basis is also false, and this is due to a number of things:

Firstly:

The word ihtilaam (translated here as erotic dream) refers to what a person sees in his sleep, which includes a man seeing images of intercourse and imagining the s-xual act in his sleep. This is something natural which all men and women see. There is nothing wrong with it and there is no sin on a person because of that. It was narrated in the hadeeth of Umm Sulaym that she asked the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about a woman who sees in her dream what a man sees. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a woman sees that she should do ghusl.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Hayd, 469)

SECONDLY:

Erotic dreams are beyond a person’s control and he has no power to prevent them. Rather is a means of the body ridding itself of excess material that may harm it if it remains in the body. Hence sometimes a person may see something in his sleep, and sometimes he may not see anything but still experience nocturnal emissions. Hence it is not haraam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned”

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

With regard to masturbation, it is haraam because it happens by a person’s intention and will. See the answer to question 329.

The same applies to LOOKING AT WOMEN, because this happens by a person’s choice and intention, and he does it deliberately. Hence it is not allowed.

Because a person is unable to prevent a SUDDEN GLANCE, he will not be brought to account for that, rather the sin is in following it with another glance. It says in the hadeeth: “O ‘Ali, do not follow one glance with another, for you are allowed the first but not the second.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, al-Adab, 2701; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, no. 2229). What is meant by “you are allowed the first” is if that does not happen intentionally, and “but not the second” means because it is done by your own choice, so it is a sin on you.

THIRDLY:

Allaah has commanded the believers to lower their gaze. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal s-xual acts)”

[al-Noor 24:30]

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also commanded likewise. It was narrated that Jareer said: “I asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about a sudden look. He said, ‘Avert your gaze.’” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, al-Nikaah, 1836; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, no. 1880. Hence it is obligatory to obey the command of Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And let those who oppose the Messenger’s (Muhammad’s) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements) (among the sects) beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant) should befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them”

[al-Noor 24:63]

What people should know and believe is that Allaah does not burden people with things that are too difficult for them or impose hardship upon them. He does not enjoin any impossible commands. This includes lowering the gaze, for it is within a person’s reach to obey this command.

But because the way to Paradise is lined with difficult things and the way to Hell is lined with whims and desires, Allaah has made this a test and a trial for His slaves. So whoever obeys the command of Allaah and keeps away from that which Allaah has forbidden, the consequences will be good for him and he will have a good Hereafter. And the converse also applies (i.e., one who goes against Allaah’s commands will have bad consequences).

Fourthly:

Allaah has commanded us to lower our gaze and has forbidden us to look at women because of the great evil and mischief that result from that. For looking is the harbinger of zina (unlawful s-xual relationships) – Allaah forbid. Hence it says in the hadeeth that Allaah has decreed for the son of Adam his share of zina, which will inevitably catch up with him, and the zina of the eyes is looking, the zina of the tongue is speaking; the heart wishes and hopes and the private parts confirm that or deny it.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Qadar, 6122). So if a person lowers his gaze and refrains from looking at that which Allaah has forbidden, how could he be motivated to commit immoral actions? What the Muslim must do is to keep away from everything that may lead to immorality, whether that is looking at women, or thinking thoughts that provoke and increase desire. Whoever does those things will only make more worry and distress for himself, to no avail.

As the poet said:

“If you let your gaze wander, this will cause you a lot of heartache.

You will see things that you will desire but you are unable to acquire them, yet you are unable to bear that with patience.”

“How many looks have been fatal to the heart of the one who looked,

as fatal as an arrow, but with no bow and no string.”

And it was said that being patient in lowering one's gaze is easier than trying to put up with the pain that comes afterwards.

We ask Allaah to guide us all. And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=21784&dgn=4

on March 28, 2005 8:46 PM
asif said

Salaam brother Hassan:

If you were here in California, i would have bought you one Nice Tandoori Dinner tonight--or anything that you would have ordered!!!

My original query is still not answered, but I wont push it here.

Jazakum Allah Khair for relaying this Khutbah and reference material...Alhamdulillah!

on March 28, 2005 9:39 PM
ibtisam said

yeah, women should technically not look at men as well and should walk with their gaze down. I know this because I do it and try to do it whenever I remember and there was a time when I was a teenager where the exact words "sweetness of faith" was felt in my heart.

on March 28, 2005 11:08 PM
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on June 2, 2005 4:12 PM
amatullah said

as salaamu alaikum

commenting on the whole 'scrubs of isru: trailer' concept, who bears the brunt of the female gazing at the male here? i guess it's the females fault, she should know better ...

on June 4, 2005 2:10 PM
Justoju said

I was going through nasheeds and just remembered that sister Ibtisam has asked for this waaaaaayyy back in the day.

http://www.bukhatir.org/index.php

(and yet, I can never remember to take the milk out of the microwave before it boils over. sigh.)

on February 18, 2006 10:45 AM
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